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* {{TM|1RB3LA1LA1RA1RA_2LB2RA---4RB1LB|undecided}}.
* {{TM|1RB3LA1LA1RA1RA_2LB2RA---4RB1LB|undecided}}.
* {{TM|1RB3LB---4LA1RB_2LA4LA4LB3RB1RA|undecided}}. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1375584513777995957 Analysis by @mxdys]
* {{TM|1RB3LB---4LA1RB_2LA4LA4LB3RB1RA|undecided}}. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1375584513777995957 Analysis by @mxdys]
* {{TM|1RB2RA3LB---2LB_2LA0LA4RB0RB1LA}}. Probviously halting. Estimated 25 to 50% chance of beating champ.
* {{TM|1RB2RA3LB---2LB_2LA0LA4RB0RB1LA}}. Probviously halting. Estimated 25 to 50% chance of beating champion.


==Top Halters==
==Top Halters==
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|-
|{{TM|1RB3LA4RB0RB2LA_1LB2LA3LA1RA1RZ|halt}}
|{{TM|1RB3LA4RB0RB2LA_1LB2LA3LA1RA1RZ|halt}}
|<math>10 \uparrow\uparrow 4.8142742</math>
|<math>>10^{10^{10^{3\,314\,360}}} \approx 10 \uparrow\uparrow 4.8142742</math>
|Daniel Yuan
|Daniel Yuan
|-
|-
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|<math>>10^{38\,033}</math>
|<math>>10^{38\,033}</math>
|Pavel Kropitz
|Pavel Kropitz
|-
|{{TM|1RB2RA3LA4RB---_2LA3RB3RA1LB3LB|halt}}
|<math>>6.9 \times 10^{933}</math>
|Daniel Yuan [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1379877629288644722]
|-
|-
|{{TM|1RB2LA1RA2LB2LA_0LA2RB3RB4RA1RZ|halt}}
|{{TM|1RB2LA1RA2LB2LA_0LA2RB3RB4RA1RZ|halt}}
|<math>>1.9 \times 10^{704}</math>
|<math>>1.9 \times 10^{704}</math>
|Terry and Shawn Ligocki
|Terry and Shawn Ligocki
|-
|{{TM|1RB2RA3LA4RB---_2LA3RB3RA1LB3LB|halt}}
|<math>>8.3 \times 10^{466}</math> (lower bound given by score)
|Daniel Yuan
|-
|-
|{{TM|1RB2LA4RA2LB2LA_0LA2RB3RB1RA1RZ|halt}}
|{{TM|1RB2LA4RA2LB2LA_0LA2RB3RB1RA1RZ|halt}}
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|<math>>7 \times 10^{21}</math>
|<math>>7 \times 10^{21}</math>
|Terry and Shawn Ligocki
|Terry and Shawn Ligocki
|-
|{{TM|1RB3LA4LA1LA2RA_2LA4RB---0RA0LA|undecided}}
|> 6 X 10<sup>21</sup> (halting nb of steps yet to be precised)
|LegionMammal978
|-
|-
|{{TM|1RB2RA3LA4LA2RB_2LA---1LA1RA3RA|halt}}
|{{TM|1RB2RA3LA4LA2RB_2LA---1LA1RA3RA|halt}}
|<math>>6.04 \times 10^{21}</math>
|<math>>6.0 \times 10^{21}</math>
|prurq and LegionMammal978
|prurq and LegionMammal978
|-
|-
|{{TM|1RB3LA4LA2RB1LA_2LA4RB---3RA3LA|halt}}
|{{TM|1RB3LA4LA2RB1LA_2LA4RB---3RA3LA|halt}}
|<math>> 1.589 \times 10^{20}</math>
|<math>> 1.6 \times 10^{20}</math>
|prurq and LegionMammal978
|prurq and LegionMammal978
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|-
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|417,310,842,648,366  
|417,310,842,648,366  
|Terry and Shawn Ligocki
|Terry and Shawn Ligocki
|-
|{{TM|1RB3LA1LA2LA1RA_2LB3RA2RB4RB---|halt}}
|<math>1.61577 \times 10^{14}</math>
|mxdys
|}
|}


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== Holdouts ==
== Holdouts ==
This section is based on the list of 83 holdouts published by @mxdys, and includes further progress as of 1 June 2026. There are 65 Rocq-holdouts, or 60 when considering informal proofs.
This section is based on the list of 83 holdouts published by @mxdys, and includes further progress as of 8 September 2026. All TMs with known informal arguments for halting or non-halting, at that point, were formally decided.  


=== Cryptids ===
=== Cryptids ===
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* {{TM|1RB3LA1LA1RA1RA_2LB2RA---4RB1LB|undecided}}. Potential Cryptid
* {{TM|1RB3LA1LA1RA1RA_2LB2RA---4RB1LB|undecided}}. Potential Cryptid
* {{TM|1RB---0RB0LA2RA_2LB2LA3RA4LB0LB|undecided}}. Potential Cryptid - [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1354037062830919690/1354037062830919690 Shift overflow counter]
* {{TM|1RB---0RB0LA2RA_2LB2LA3RA4LB0LB|undecided}}. Potential Cryptid - [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1354037062830919690/1354037062830919690 Shift overflow counter]
* {{TM|1RB2RA3LB---2LB_2LA0LA4RB0RB1LA|undecided}}. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1329808777754706046 Estimated 25 to 50% chance of beating current champion]
* {{TM|1RB2RA3LB---2LB_2LA0LA4RB0RB1LA|undecided}}. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1329808777754706046 Probviously halting potential cryptid. Estimated 25 to 50% chance of beating current champion]
* {{TM|1RB3LA1LA2RB2LB_1LB2RA4RA0RB---|undecided}}. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1395820706050080869/1395820706050080869 Block analysis by @dyuan by "impurity score"]
* {{TM|1RB3LA1LA2RB2LB_1LB2RA4RA0RB---|undecided}}. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1395820706050080869/1395820706050080869 Block analysis by @dyuan by "impurity score"]
* {{TM|1RB---4LB1RA4RA_2LB2LA3RA4LB0RB|undecided}}. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1378248683161653289 Analysis by Andrew Ducharme and @mxdys]
* {{TM|1RB---4LB1RA4RA_2LB2LA3RA4LB0RB|undecided}}. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1378248683161653289 Analysis by Andrew Ducharme and @mxdys]
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=== Solved with moderate rigor ===
=== Solved with moderate rigor ===
''None''


* {{TM|1RB2RA3LA4LA2RB_2LA---1LA1RA3RA|undecided}}. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1084047886494470185/1254518334406266964 Longitudinal analysis by @Legion implies halting], [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1492999358482874448 simulated until halt by prurq using Quick_Sim]
=== Formally proven ===
* {{TM|1RB3LA4LA1LA2RA_2LA4RB---0RA0LA|undecided}}. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1084047886494470185/1254518334406266964 Longitudinal analysis by @Legion implies halting]
* {{TM|1RB3LA4LA2RB1LA_2LA4RB---3RA3LA|undecided}}. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1084047886494470185/1254518334406266964 Longitudinal analysis by @Legion implies halting], [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1491830661512958185 simulated until halt by prurq using Quick_Sim]
* {{TM|1RB3RA2LB1LB1RB_2LA2RA4LA1LA---|undecided}}. [[Dekaheptoid]] - [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1267650177389432913 Unverified nonhalting proof by @dyuan]
* {{TM|1RB3RB1LB---2RB_2LA1RA4LB2LA2RA|undecided}}. [[Dekaheptoid]] - [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1267650177389432913 Unverified nonhalting proof by @dyuan]


=== Formally proven ===
*{{TM|1RB2RA3LA4LA2RB_2LA---1LA1RA3RA|undecided}}. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1084047886494470185/1254518334406266964 Longitudinal analysis by @Legion implies halting], [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1492999358482874448 simulated until halt by prurq using Quick_Sim]. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1546880921318326282 Rocq-decided by @mxdys.]
* {{TM|1RB3LA4LA1LA2RA_2LA4RB---0RA0LA|undecided}}. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1084047886494470185/1254518334406266964 Longitudinal analysis by @Legion implies halting]. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1546880921318326282 Rocq-decided by @mxdys.]
* {{TM|1RB3LA4LA2RB1LA_2LA4RB---3RA3LA|undecided}}. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1084047886494470185/1254518334406266964 Longitudinal analysis by @Legion implies halting], [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1491830661512958185 simulated until halt by prurq using Quick_Sim]. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1546880921318326282 Rocq-decided by @mxdys.]
* {{TM|1RB3RA2LB1LB1RB_2LA2RA4LA1LA---|undecided}}. [[Dekaheptoid]] - [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1267650177389432913 Unverified nonhalting proof by @dyuan]. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1546880921318326282 Rocq-decided by @mxdys.]
* {{TM|1RB3RB1LB---2RB_2LA1RA4LB2LA2RA|undecided}}. [[Dekaheptoid]] - [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1267650177389432913 Unverified nonhalting proof by @dyuan]. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1546880921318326282 Rocq-decided by @mxdys.]


* {{TM|1RB2RA3LA4LA2RB_2LA0RA---0RA1LA|undecided}}. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1355828077023854752 Rocq-decided by @mxdys]. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1355714495326060706 Longitudinal analysis by Legion implies nonhalting]
* {{TM|1RB2RA3LA4LA2RB_2LA0RA---0RA1LA|undecided}}. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1355828077023854752 Rocq-decided by @mxdys]. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1355714495326060706 Longitudinal analysis by Legion implies nonhalting]
* {{TM|1RB2RA3LA4RB---_2LA3RB3RA1LB3LB|halt}}. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1379877629288644722 Rocq-decided by @mxdys]. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1373347187836194898 Halting argument by @dyuan]
* {{TM|1RB2RA3LA4RB---_2LA3RB3RA1LB3LB|halt}}. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1379877629288644722 Rocq-decided by @mxdys]. s ~ 6.9 x 10<sup>933</sup>, halter ranked 3<sup>rd</sup>. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1373347187836194898 Halting argument by @dyuan]
* {{TM|1RB3LA4RB0RB2LA_1LB2LA3LA1RA---|halt}}. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1379877629288644722 Rocq-decided by @mxdys]. Current champion
* {{TM|1RB3LA4RB0RB2LA_1LB2LA3LA1RA---|halt}}. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1379877629288644722 Rocq-decided by @mxdys]. Current champion s ~ 10^^4.81
* {{TM|1RB3RA4LB2RA2RB_2LA---3LA0LB1LA|undecided}}. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1411488532500971631 Rocq-decided by @mxdys.]
* {{TM|1RB3RA4LB2RA2RB_2LA---3LA0LB1LA|undecided}}. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1411488532500971631 Rocq-decided by @mxdys.]
* {{TM|1RB3RB---0RA2RB_2LA4RA3LB1LB1LA|undecided}}. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1411488532500971631 Rocq-decided by @mxdys.]
* {{TM|1RB3RB---0RA2RB_2LA4RA3LB1LB1LA|undecided}}. [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1259770421046411285/1411488532500971631 Rocq-decided by @mxdys.]

Latest revision as of 10:11, 18 September 2026

The 2-state, 5-symbol Busy Beaver problem, BB(2,5), is unsolved. With the discovery of the Cryptid machine Hydra in April 2024, we now know that we must solve a Collatz-like problem in order to solve BB(2,5) and thus BB(2,5) is Hard.

The current BB(2,5) champion 1RB3LA4RB0RB2LA_1LB2LA3LA1RA1RZ (bbch) was discovered by Daniel Yuan in June 2024, proving the lower bounds:

S(2,5)>Σ(2,5)>1010103314360>104

Cryptids

Known Cryptids:

Potential Cryptids:

Top Halters

The 20 longest running known halting BB(2,5) TMs are:

Standard format (approximate) runtime Discoverer
1RB3LA4RB0RB2LA_1LB2LA3LA1RA1RZ (bbch) >1010103314360104.8142742 Daniel Yuan
1RB2LB4LB3LA1RZ_1LA3RA3LB0LB0RA (bbch) >1038033 Pavel Kropitz
1RB2RA3LA4RB---_2LA3RB3RA1LB3LB (bbch) >6.9×10933 Daniel Yuan [1]
1RB2LA1RA2LB2LA_0LA2RB3RB4RA1RZ (bbch) >1.9×10704 Terry and Shawn Ligocki
1RB2LA4RA2LB2LA_0LA2RB3RB1RA1RZ (bbch) >1.6×10211 Terry and Shawn Ligocki
1RB2LA4RA2LB2LA_0LA2RB3RB4RA1RZ (bbch) >1.6×10211 Terry and Shawn Ligocki
1RB2LA4RA1LB2LA_0LA2RB3RB2RA1RZ (bbch) >5.2×1061 Terry and Shawn Ligocki
1RB0RB4RA2LB2LA_2LA1LB3RB4RA1RZ (bbch) >7×1021 Terry and Shawn Ligocki
1RB3LA4LA1LA2RA_2LA4RB---0RA0LA (bbch) > 6 X 1021 (halting nb of steps yet to be precised) LegionMammal978
1RB2RA3LA4LA2RB_2LA---1LA1RA3RA (bbch) >6.0×1021 prurq and LegionMammal978
1RB3LA4LA2RB1LA_2LA4RB---3RA3LA (bbch) >1.6×1020 prurq and LegionMammal978
1RB1RZ4LA4LB2RA_2LB2RB3RB2RA0RB (bbch) >9×1016 Terry and Shawn Ligocki
1RB3LA1LA0LB1RA_2LA4LB4LA1RA1RZ (bbch) >3.77×1016 Terry and Shawn Ligocki
1RB2RA1LA3LA2RA_2LA3RB4LA1LB1RZ (bbch) >9×1015 Terry and Shawn Ligocki
1RB2LB4RB2RB---_1LA3RA4RA3LB1LB (bbch) 6.64187×1015 mxdys
1RB2RB4LB2LB---_2LA0LA3RB0LA2RA (bbch) 3.1317×1015 mxdys
1RB0RA3LB1LB---_2LA3RB4RB3RA0LA (bbch) 2.7527×1015 mxdys
1RB2LB2RA4LB1RA_1LA3RA3LA4LA--- (bbch) 1.7828×1015 mxdys
1RB3LA---4RB0LB_2LA3LB4LA1RB3RA (bbch) 6.66046×1014 mxdys
1RB2RA1LA1LB3LB_2LA3RB1RZ4RA1LA (bbch) 417,310,842,648,366 Terry and Shawn Ligocki

Certified progress

In April 2024, Shawn Ligocki publicly released a list of 23,411 undecided BB(2,5) machines. Justin Blanchard then made substantial progress over the course of the next month, reducing the list to 499 holdouts by late May 2024. In June 2024, @mxdys cut down the list to 273 using halting and inductive deciders, and again to 217 using CTL. In February 2025, @mxdys ran a decider pipeline in Rocq that resulted in only 173 holdouts. Since then, additional machines have been proven in Rocq using both deciders and individual proofs.

On 29 Mar 2025, @mxdys published a list of 83 holdouts that withstood state-of-the-art Rocq deciders. Over the course of 5 months, @mxdys added 8 machines to Rocq[1][2][3][4][5], lowering the certified holdout count to 75.

Using existing C++ deciders, Andrew Ducharme found two machines non-halting on 29 Jan 2026 and 11 Feb 2026. On 11 March 2026, Peacemaker II solved a permutation of one of the TMs Andrew solved by tweaking some of the decider parameters. @mxdys verified each result the days they were announced. Also on 11 Feb 2026, @mxdys proved in Rocq another TM as a translated cycler. This combined progress reduced the formal holdout count to 71.

On 16 March 2026, mxdys formalised a proof from October 2024 and a proof from October 2025, thus reducing the holdout count to 69.[6][7]

On 1 April 2026, Discord user mammillaria shared a Lean formalisation of the BMO 3 problem and its solution, which he created using Aristotle AI. Then mxdys formalised the result in Rocq using LLMs, then extended it the next day to solve a BMO 3 variant, reducing the holdout count to 66.

On 30 May 2026, Andrew Ducharme showed 1RB2LB---4LB0RB_1LA3RB4RB4RA1LB (bbch) nonhalting via FAR. mxdys verified the FAR solution in Rocq on 1 June.

On 8 September 2026, mxdys used the newest Rocq deciders to solve five holdouts, leaving only 60 formal holdouts.

Holdouts

This section is based on the list of 83 holdouts published by @mxdys, and includes further progress as of 8 September 2026. All TMs with known informal arguments for halting or non-halting, at that point, were formally decided.

Cryptids

Unsolved

14 grandchildren of 1RB2LA0RB1LB_1LA3RA1RA--- (bbch)

  • 1RB2LA0RB1LB---_1LA3RA1RA4RB0LB (bbch).

and the family 1RB2LA0RB1LB---_1LA3RA1RA4LB---. See this thread for more details.

  • 1RB2LA0RB1LB---_1LA3RA1RA4LB2RB (bbch). Simulated for 9*101167 steps by @hipparcos, hasn't halted yet
  • 1RB2LA0RB1LB---_1LA3RA1RA4LB2LB (bbch). Simulated for 1.3*101094 steps by @hipparcos, hasn't halted yet
  • 1RB2LA0RB1LB---_1LA3RA1RA4LB1RB (bbch). Simulated for 9.8*101226 steps by @hipparcos, hasn't halted yet
  • 1RB2LA0RB1LB---_1LA3RA1RA4LB1LB (bbch). Simulated for 3*101140 steps by @hipparcos, hasn't halted yet
  • 1RB2LA0RB1LB---_1LA3RA1RA4LB0LB (bbch). Simulated for 2.6*10889 steps by @hipparcos, hasn't halted yet
  • 1RB2LA0RB1LB---_1LA3RA1RA4LB0RB (bbch).
  • 1RB2LA0RB1LB---_1LA3RA1RA4LB3RA (bbch).
  • 1RB2LA0RB1LB---_1LA3RA1RA4LB2RA (bbch).
  • 1RB2LA0RB1LB---_1LA3RA1RA4LB2LA (bbch).
  • 1RB2LA0RB1LB---_1LA3RA1RA4LB1RA (bbch).
  • 1RB2LA0RB1LB---_1LA3RA1RA4LB1LA (bbch).
  • 1RB2LA0RB1LB---_1LA3RA1RA4LB0RA (bbch).
  • 1RB2LA0RB1LB---_1LA3RA1RA4LB0LA (bbch).

Solved with moderate rigor

None

Formally proven