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==Holdouts==
==Holdouts==
This month saw huge reductions to holdout lists in many domains. In BB(6), this was mainly due to mxdys demonstrating the equivalence of many TMs. For the other domains it seems to be mainly due to applying mxdys's <code>main.exe</code> decider pipeline to these domains.
{| class="wikitable"
|+BB Holdout Reduction by Domain
!Domain
!New Holdout Count
!July Holdout Count
!Holdout Reduction
!% Reduction
|-
|[[BB(6)]]
|1,691
|2,592
|
|
|-
|[[BB(7)]]
|23,314,388?
|59,727,905
|
|
|-
|[[BB(2,6)]]
|873,469?
|18,054,938
|
|
|-
|[[BB(4,3)]]
|97,701,052
|460,916,384
|
|
|}
* [[BB(6)|BB(6):]]  
* [[BB(6)|BB(6):]]  
** Andrew Ducharme and @mxdys [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1239205785913790465/1413428240000745618 both found a family of 10 halting TMs] independently, all halting in around <math>10^{69}</math> steps.
** Andrew Ducharme and @mxdys [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1239205785913790465/1413428240000745618 both found a family of 10 halting TMs] independently, all halting in around <math>10^{69}</math> steps.
** @mxdys [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1400456788955893840/1413542505772748810 decided two machines’ fates] from the [[TMBR: August 2025#Misc|50 Random Holdouts released in August]], making 8/50 machined solved as of this month.
** @mxdys [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1400456788955893840/1413542505772748810 decided two machines’ fates] from the [[TMBR: August 2025#Misc|50 Random Holdouts released in August]], making 8/50 machined solved as of this month.
** Andrew Ducharme [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1239205785913790465/1415859365944230001 found a non-halting TM], to which [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1239205785913790465/1415885515068280833 Peacemaker II replied with another machine] that turned out to be very similar, and non-halting as well. Later in his search Andrew [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1239205785913790465/1416229864280948817 found another non-halting TM.]
** Andrew Ducharme [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1239205785913790465/1415859365944230001 found a non-halting TM], to which [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1239205785913790465/1415885515068280833 Peacemaker II replied with another machine] that turned out to be very similar, and non-halting as well. Later in his search Andrew [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1239205785913790465/1416229864280948817 found another non-halting TM.]
** @mxdys [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1239205785913790465/1419290767767240734 shared a new way of grouping TMs by equivalence class,] this reduced the number of holdout equivalence classes from 2467 to 1691 (31% reduction).  
** @mxdys [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1239205785913790465/1419290767767240734 shared a new way of grouping TMs by equivalence class,] this reduced the number of holdout equivalence classes from 2467 to 1691 (31% reduction).
** @mxdys [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1239205785913790465/1419364305068888105 published a list] of 3171 holdouts. The holdouts are in 1691 equivalence classes by halting status.
** @mxdys [https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1239205785913790465/1419364305068888105 published a list] of 3171 holdouts. The holdouts are in 1691 equivalence classes by halting status.
* [[BB(7)|BB(7):]]
* [[BB(7)|BB(7):]]

Revision as of 17:39, 28 September 2025

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This Month in Beaver Research for September 2025.

TODO: BB(5) arXiv released https://arxiv.org/abs/2509.12337

TODO: BB(3,3) month next month.

In the News

Holdouts

This month saw huge reductions to holdout lists in many domains. In BB(6), this was mainly due to mxdys demonstrating the equivalence of many TMs. For the other domains it seems to be mainly due to applying mxdys's main.exe decider pipeline to these domains.

BB Holdout Reduction by Domain
Domain New Holdout Count July Holdout Count Holdout Reduction % Reduction
BB(6) 1,691 2,592
BB(7) 23,314,388? 59,727,905
BB(2,6) 873,469? 18,054,938
BB(4,3) 97,701,052 460,916,384
  • BB(6):
  • BB(7):
    • Andrew Ducharme has continued reducing the number of holdouts, from 59,727,905 to 28,189,617 (52.80% reduction).
    • Terry Ligocki ran an additional 41 filters/parameters. This reduced the number of holdouts, from 28,189,617 to 23,314,388 TMs (17.29% reduction)
    • The overall reduction this month was 72.9% (note: This point can be discarded after the table is made for overall reduction for all domains)
  • BB(2,6):
    • TODO: Add events before @Peacemaker II noticing the errors. (i.e. Terry ran the filters on the wrong holdout list etc..)
    • @Peacemaker II noticed some TMs missing from Andrew Ducharme reductions. It was decided to start back at the original 22,302,296 holdout TMs. (TODO: Source)
    • Andrew Ducharme ran several deciders/filters and reduced the 22,302,296 holdout TMs to 20,358,011 (8.72% reduction). (TODO: Source)
    • Terry Ligocki ran 50 variations of deciders/parameters using @mxdys' C++ code, main.cpp, reducing the holdout count to 970,101 TMs (95.23% reduction)!
    • Andrew Ducharme ran some additional deciders reducing the holdout count to 873,469 TMs (9.96% reduction). (TODO: Link to wiki page where you can find the specific filters)
  • BB(4,3):
    • Terry Ligocki ran a set of deciders/parameters from @mxdys' code to reduce the number of holdouts which were at 460,916,384 TMs. Six passes have reduced the holdout count to 97,701,052 TMs (78.80% reduction). (TODO: Source)
  • BB(3,4):
    • TODO: XnoobSpeakable and Lúkos are working on the holdout list for BB(3,4), ~435M TMs, using @mxdys' deciders with various parameters.

BB Adjacent

  • John Tromp announced on Discord that a 350-bit function now reaches the limit of BMS, an improvement from the previous 404 bits.

TODO: phrasing. Discord source: https://discord.com/channels/960643023006490684/1355653587824283678/1413637783045542038 and https://github.com/tromp/AIT/blob/master/fast_growing_and_conjectures/bms.lam

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