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-== Antihydra ==
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-Hi, I rolled back your recent change to [[Antihydra]] because it seems like you removed a ton of content there. Feel free to add your proofs if you'd like, but no need to remove the transition table and so much of the description. [[User:Sligocki|Sligocki]] ([[User talk:Sligocki|talk]]) 03:35, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
+Three things:
-== Explaining Myself ==
+# I believe I have fixed all instances of "math error" on the wiki due to "\textrm," although I have not checked every page.
-[[User:Sligocki|Sligocki]]
+# I am on the Discord, I just don't chat, nor am I considering revealing myself for now.
-Hello,
+# Don't reply, I will not respond.

Racheline: /* Deleting large amounts of content */ new section

2025-04-22T11:38:19Z

Deleting large amounts of content: new section

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	: So, in conclusion, I would be glad if you wanted to add a section where you prove the Antihydra transition rules. Given the size of the proof and the fact that many people might be coming to this page to read about Antihydra, I think that could either go at the end or in a collapsible div or something like that. Likewise, I'm reasonably happy if you want to move some of these things to a centralized location (on [[Antihydra]], [[Hydra]] or [[Hydra function]]). In this case, although Hydra is the original TM like this, I think it might actually make a bit more sense to have Antihydra be the main article with most of the content since it seems to be of much broader interest (being in the standard 2-symbol BB variation). [[User:Sligocki\|Sligocki]] ([[User talk:Sligocki\|talk]]) 21:39, 17 February 2025 (UTC)		: So, in conclusion, I would be glad if you wanted to add a section where you prove the Antihydra transition rules. Given the size of the proof and the fact that many people might be coming to this page to read about Antihydra, I think that could either go at the end or in a collapsible div or something like that. Likewise, I'm reasonably happy if you want to move some of these things to a centralized location (on [[Antihydra]], [[Hydra]] or [[Hydra function]]). In this case, although Hydra is the original TM like this, I think it might actually make a bit more sense to have Antihydra be the main article with most of the content since it seems to be of much broader interest (being in the standard 2-symbol BB variation). [[User:Sligocki\|Sligocki]] ([[User talk:Sligocki\|talk]]) 21:39, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

			== Deleting large amounts of content ==

			Please stop. I'm not sure which part of "preferably outside of this page" was unclear, so you can use this talk page to ask about the details of what i meant and maybe i can clarify, but for now, leave lucy's moonlight alone. please.
			<br>You can talk about the reasons for your edits here, but do it before editing the page. I agree with the consensus that information should be added, not removed. If harm is not your intention, then please try to learn how to not remove content. I'm not sure how to help with that because i don't understand what causes you to remove it in the first place (and honestly i just don't have time for this), but i'm sure you can find someone who can help you if you need that. [[User:Racheline\|Racheline]] ([[User talk:Racheline\|talk]]) 11:38, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

Sligocki: /* Explaining Myself */

2025-02-17T21:39:34Z

Explaining Myself

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	::: Personally, I liked how the previous version of the article followed Shawn's blog post, which I think is a good explanation of the machine for most readers. Good job on writing down proofs, but I think the majority of readers will only be interested in the high level rules, not a detailed explanation of the Turing machine behavior. Adequately explaining the Turing machine behavior can be cumbersome and readers can get easily lost with the details. IMO, there is little gain in understanding the derivation rather than just knowing the high-level rules. Perhaps we can find another place for the detailed proofs? If you want to discuss further, it'll be easier to talk on the discord server: https://discord.com/invite/3uqtPJA9Uv [[User:Peacemaker II\|Peacemaker II]] ([[User talk:Peacemaker II\|talk]]) 17:19, 17 February 2025 (UTC)		::: Personally, I liked how the previous version of the article followed Shawn's blog post, which I think is a good explanation of the machine for most readers. Good job on writing down proofs, but I think the majority of readers will only be interested in the high level rules, not a detailed explanation of the Turing machine behavior. Adequately explaining the Turing machine behavior can be cumbersome and readers can get easily lost with the details. IMO, there is little gain in understanding the derivation rather than just knowing the high-level rules. Perhaps we can find another place for the detailed proofs? If you want to discuss further, it'll be easier to talk on the discord server: https://discord.com/invite/3uqtPJA9Uv [[User:Peacemaker II\|Peacemaker II]] ([[User talk:Peacemaker II\|talk]]) 17:19, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

			: Hi [[User:MrSolis\|MrSolis]], I also want to thank you for contributing to the wiki! I think many of your changes sound great to me, I just want to talk through it a bit :)
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			: First of all: Your comments about the halting probability are 100% correct. Thank you! I updated my blog post on Hydra today to fix that! (as well as the wiki Antihydra page).
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			: Broadly speaking, I think my preference is that people add content boldly and remove content sparingly and perhaps with a bit more discussion (say on the talk pages). I had expanded [[Antihydra]] at some point in the past to its current state and was very proud of it. I'm certainly open to the idea that there is too much detail (or redundancy), but I think it should only be removed with care.
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			: Regarding TM page cohesiveness, I can generally see the value in making these pages a bit more standard, but also don't feel like it's the most important. If we had infinite time and effort, I think I'd like to have a fully written out transition table, narrative description and attribution on every TM page. At one point I tried to create a template to automatically convert a TM string into a transition table ... but I could not figure out how to do it ... if you have any experience, that would be lovely to have! and would make it much easier to include on all TM pages.
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			: So, in conclusion, I would be glad if you wanted to add a section where you prove the Antihydra transition rules. Given the size of the proof and the fact that many people might be coming to this page to read about Antihydra, I think that could either go at the end or in a collapsible div or something like that. Likewise, I'm reasonably happy if you want to move some of these things to a centralized location (on [[Antihydra]], [[Hydra]] or [[Hydra function]]). In this case, although Hydra is the original TM like this, I think it might actually make a bit more sense to have Antihydra be the main article with most of the content since it seems to be of much broader interest (being in the standard 2-symbol BB variation). [[User:Sligocki\|Sligocki]] ([[User talk:Sligocki\|talk]]) 21:39, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

Peacemaker II: /* Explaining Myself */

2025-02-17T17:20:23Z

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	::[[User:Peacemaker II]], No, I am simply curious as to exactly where I went too far. [[User:MrSolis\|MrSolis]] ([[User talk:MrSolis\|talk]]) 17:05, 17 February 2025 (UTC)		::[[User:Peacemaker II]], No, I am simply curious as to exactly where I went too far. [[User:MrSolis\|MrSolis]] ([[User talk:MrSolis\|talk]]) 17:05, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

			::: Personally, I liked how the previous version of the article followed Shawn's blog post, which I think is a good explanation of the machine for most readers. Good job on writing down proofs, but I think the majority of readers will only be interested in the high level rules, not a detailed explanation of the Turing machine behavior. Adequately explaining the Turing machine behavior can be cumbersome and readers can get easily lost with the details. IMO, there is little gain in understanding the derivation rather than just knowing the high-level rules. Perhaps we can find another place for the detailed proofs? If you want to discuss further, it'll be easier to talk on the discord server: https://discord.com/invite/3uqtPJA9Uv [[User:Peacemaker II\|Peacemaker II]] ([[User talk:Peacemaker II\|talk]]) 17:19, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

MrSolis at 17:05, 17 February 2025

2025-02-17T17:05:09Z

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	: Thanks for your efforts in improving the wiki! Are you on the discord server? It might be easier to discuss wiki changes there since that's where most people are active. [[User:Peacemaker II\|Peacemaker II]] ([[User talk:Peacemaker II\|talk]]) 17:00, 17 February 2025 (UTC)		: Thanks for your efforts in improving the wiki! Are you on the discord server? It might be easier to discuss wiki changes there since that's where most people are active. [[User:Peacemaker II\|Peacemaker II]] ([[User talk:Peacemaker II\|talk]]) 17:00, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

			::[[User:Peacemaker II]], No, I am simply curious as to exactly where I went too far. [[User:MrSolis\|MrSolis]] ([[User talk:MrSolis\|talk]]) 17:05, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

Peacemaker II: /* Explaining Myself */

2025-02-17T17:01:01Z

Explaining Myself

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	I sincerely apologize for making drastic changes to your article and not elaborating on why before I did that. I would like for you to respond with what precisely I did wrong so that I do not make unwanted changes in the future.		I sincerely apologize for making drastic changes to your article and not elaborating on why before I did that. I would like for you to respond with what precisely I did wrong so that I do not make unwanted changes in the future.
	[[User:MrSolis\|MrSolis]] ([[User talk:MrSolis\|talk]]) 15:30, 17 February 2025 (UTC)		[[User:MrSolis\|MrSolis]] ([[User talk:MrSolis\|talk]]) 15:30, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

			: Thanks for your efforts in improving the wiki! Are you on the discord server? It might be easier to discuss wiki changes there since that's where most people are active. [[User:Peacemaker II\|Peacemaker II]] ([[User talk:Peacemaker II\|talk]]) 17:00, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

MrSolis at 16:50, 17 February 2025

2025-02-17T16:50:57Z

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	== Antihydra ==		== Antihydra ==
	Hi, I rolled back your recent change to [[Antihydra]] because it seems like you removed a ton of content there. Feel free to add your proofs if you'd like, but no need to remove the transition table and so much of the description. [[User:Sligocki\|Sligocki]] ([[User talk:Sligocki\|talk]]) 03:35, 17 February 2025 (UTC)		Hi, I rolled back your recent change to [[Antihydra]] because it seems like you removed a ton of content there. Feel free to add your proofs if you'd like, but no need to remove the transition table and so much of the description. [[User:Sligocki\|Sligocki]] ([[User talk:Sligocki\|talk]]) 03:35, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

	== Explaining Myself ==		== Explaining Myself ==
			[[User:Sligocki\|Sligocki]]
	Hello,		Hello,

	I appreciate your criticisms of the changes I have made to one of your pages. I would like to explain my thought process behind the changes so that we may come to an agreement on what should and should not be changed. I will review each section of your article to explain why I did what I did.		I appreciate your criticisms of the changes I have made to one of your pages. I would like to explain my thought process behind the changes so that we may come to an agreement on what should and should not be changed. I will review each section of your article to explain why I did what I did.

	1. The lead section: I ~~just like being~~ brief. Perhaps I was being too brief.		1. The lead section: I wanted to be brief. Perhaps I was being too brief.

	2. Turing Machine: ''No'' other individual Turing Machine page has a transition ''table'', only its inline form. If you look at the pages for the 5-state busy beaver winner and Hydra, the other two TM pages that I have made significant changes to, you can infer that I intend for these to be the ''final'' (or semi-final, for unsolved machines) versions of these pages. That means I want consistency across every individual Turing Machine page and a clear structure. If you prefer that I not edit the table out, let me know so that I can add one to the 5-state busy beaver winner and Hydra (and any other TM pages I decide to modify) pages. I also omitted the names mxdys and Racheline in my version. Is that a problem? I did not think that was a problem because I had cited your blog post where they ''are'' mentioned. If it is a problem, I will not omit their names in my second edit to the page.		2. Turing Machine: ''No'' other individual Turing Machine page has a transition ''table'', only its inline form. If you look at the pages for the 5-state busy beaver winner and Hydra, the other two TM pages that I have made significant changes to, you can infer that I intend for these to be the ''final'' (or semi-final, for unsolved machines) versions of these pages. That means I want consistency across every individual Turing Machine page and a clear structure. If you prefer that I not edit the table out, let me know so that I can add one to the 5-state busy beaver winner and Hydra (and any other TM pages I decide to modify) pages. I also omitted the names mxdys and Racheline in my version. Is that a problem? I did not think that was a problem because I had cited your blog post where they ''are'' mentioned. If it is a problem, I will not omit their names in my second edit to the page.

MrSolis: /* Explaining Myself */

2025-02-17T15:30:12Z

Explaining Myself

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	4. Biased Random Walk: I have two separate points on why I changed it.		4. Biased Random Walk: I have two separate points on why I changed it.

	The first and more important one, is that the probability analysis is simply '''incorrect.''' The probability of the random walker ''b'' going down from ''n'' to -1 is '''not''' (1/2)^(n+1). The simple argument for why is that (1/2)^(n+1) is the probability that the random coin lands on the same face n+1 times ''in a row''. Consider the situation where ''b'' = 5, and you are given a coin to flip. It if lands on heads, ''b'' increases by 2; if tails, decreases by 1. If you had to get ''b'' to -1 without getting heads a single time, then the probability ''would'' be (1/2)^6 (assuming independent random flips where heads and tails each have a 1/2 probability). However, if you just had to get b to -1 you could still win if you get heads on your first flip and then get ~~seven~~ tails in a row. You could win even if b rose to 10^20 if you are lucky enough. These situations are not very likely to happen, but they make a non-zero difference.		The first and more important one, is that the probability analysis is simply '''incorrect.''' The probability of the random walker ''b'' going down from ''n'' to -1 is '''not''' (1/2)^(n+1). The simple argument for why is that (1/2)^(n+1) is the probability that the random coin lands on the same face n+1 times ''in a row''. Consider the situation where ''b'' = 5, and you are given a coin to flip. It if lands on heads, ''b'' increases by 2; if tails, decreases by 1. If you had to get ''b'' to -1 without getting heads a single time, then the probability ''would'' be (1/2)^6 (assuming independent random flips where heads and tails each have a 1/2 probability). However, if you just had to get b to -1 you could still win if you get heads on your first flip and then get eight tails in a row. You could win even if ''b'' rose to 10^(20) if you are lucky enough. These situations are not very likely to happen, but they make a non-zero difference.

	My second point is that I did not entirely remove this section from the wiki; I had ''moved'' it to the Hydra page in the Trajectory section and corrected it, along with giving a proof for why my analysis is true there. I did not want to include basically the same thing in two separate pages, so in my Antihydra edit I basically just said "read the Hydra article".		My second point is that I did not entirely remove this section from the wiki; I had ''moved'' it to the Hydra page in the Trajectory section and corrected it, along with giving a proof for why my analysis is true there. I did not want to include basically the same thing in two separate pages, so in my Antihydra edit I basically just said "read the Hydra article".
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	I sincerely apologize for making drastic changes to your article and not elaborating on why before I did that. I would like for you to respond with what precisely I did wrong so that I do not make unwanted changes in the future.		I sincerely apologize for making drastic changes to your article and not elaborating on why before I did that. I would like for you to respond with what precisely I did wrong so that I do not make unwanted changes in the future.
	[[User:MrSolis\|MrSolis]] ([[User talk:MrSolis\|talk]]) 15:24, 17 February 2025 (UTC)		[[User:MrSolis\|MrSolis]] ([[User talk:MrSolis\|talk]]) 15:30, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

MrSolis: /* Explaining Myself */

2025-02-17T15:24:29Z

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	== Explaining Myself ==		== Explaining Myself ==

	Hello,		Hello,

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	I sincerely apologize for making drastic changes to your article and not elaborating on why before I did that. I would like for you to respond with what precisely I did wrong so that I do not make unwanted changes in the future.		I sincerely apologize for making drastic changes to your article and not elaborating on why before I did that. I would like for you to respond with what precisely I did wrong so that I do not make unwanted changes in the future.
			[[User:MrSolis\|MrSolis]] ([[User talk:MrSolis\|talk]]) 15:24, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
	[[User:MrSolis\|MrSolis]]

MrSolis at 15:14, 17 February 2025

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	I sincerely apologize for making drastic changes to your article and not elaborating on why before I did that. I would like for you to respond with what precisely I did wrong so that I do not make unwanted changes in the future.		I sincerely apologize for making drastic changes to your article and not elaborating on why before I did that. I would like for you to respond with what precisely I did wrong so that I do not make unwanted changes in the future.

	- MrSolis		[[User:MrSolis\|MrSolis]]